When (um)...  ah...  I arrived here in two thousand and two.  But, um, Jim arrived a year before me.  He had to come look for work and after three weeks or four weeks he got work and then he let me know that (um) I’d sell the house and our business and everything and then I thought I could just come over with a visitor’s visa (chuckle) to Canada, and (um) after a few times phoning the Canadian Consulate in South Africa, they keep asking why am I so urgently looking for (unclear) passport because I had it renewed, and I said I’m immigrating to Canada and they said (um)  “Well, how are you getting into the country?”  And I thought it was legal getting just with a visitor’s visa (chuckle) at the end I had to, they said ‘no way’ I had to apply for permanent residency.  So it took eleven months to get in, and in that eleven months, I got in two weeks after eleven months, and I was living with a friend. Anyway so I got here but this day it was (um) it was quite cold.  It was like the coldest in ten… ten years.